Politics is Stupid


#1361

Agree, looooong overdue


#1362

If they are really wanting to save money they should do the Pentagon next.


#1363

Ah, that makes sense.

No doubt some people will try to paint the Donald in a bad light.


#1364

I have a feeling everyone is going to get hit with something similar. The fact that this was treated as unusual shocks me. I guess since these spots are filled by the usual people then they assume everyone is doing good work and expect their back to be scratched later.


#1365

Last week, it was announced that Donald Trump brought 5000 jobs at Sprint back to the US. Only he didn’t. He’s just claiming he did. It had already been in the works for about a year and announced months ago. Sprint played along with Trump’s claim until they were backed into admitting it was part of what was already scheduled to happen.

Trump can add this to where he claimed he saved jobs at Ford when in fact, Ford was going to shuffle production lines around so that Louisville workers didn’t lose their jobs as required by the contract with the UAW labor union, and where he exaggerated how many jobs would be lost and would be saved when jobs at Carrier and UTEC are moved to Mexico.

Trump is continuing to promote his branding and ego and follows the pattern of “get this out now and worry about the facts later”.

 
That kind of bragging doesn’t impress me, but that’s secondary to another problem I see coming from the other side.

I’ve got Wil Wheaton’s website bookmarked and every so often I’ll go see what he has to say. For the most part, I like what he writes. I went to the panel he had at the Emerald City Comic Con in 2015 and listened to what he had to say when he was inevitably asked about Robin Williams’ suicide and his own problems with depression. I got his autograph on a copy of “Little Brother” by Cory Doctrow because after Wil pointed out Cory made the story available to be downloaded for free, I enjoyed it so much I bought a hardcopy version of it. I also bought a few of his books directly from his website so he’d get a little more out of the purchase than if he would if I went through Amazon, though I haven’t read them yet.

Today, he has another of his “Unpublished Memoirs of Wesley Crusher”. While trying to track down more of these on his Tumblr account (the way he’s got them tagged varies, so it’s hit-or-miss if you can find them), I came across this conversation from just after midnight today:

goblin-crusher asks:
Do you truly consider Trump to be evil? Don’t get me wrong, I fully believe he’s the literal embodiment of every single thing wrong with mankind, but somehow I think (hope?) that it’s more a matter of him being nothing more than a hollow shell existing only to further his own interests. I think (hope…) that literally nothing about any of all of this matters to him: I think (hope…?) that all he sees are new ways to further his name and get his spraytanned chipmunk feelers on what he wants.

wilwheaton wilwheaton said:
Yes. He is evil. He is an evil creature, he has a lot of evil people who support him, a lot of dumb people who support him, and a lot of good people who have been fooled by him who support him.

But he is evil. Do not let him fool you, and do not let a propaganda campaign trick you into believing that his behavior is normal. It is not normal. It is evil. He is evil.

Wil confirms he doesn’t like Trump and is sticking to his believe that Trump is The Next Hitler™. I’d venture it could almost be to where he’s convinced Trump is the Antichrist. (Anyone want to do the research to see if the number values of the letters in Trump’s name adds up to 666?)

I’m not bothered about that. People will believe what they want to believe. But the key will be what he does if it’s proven he’s wrong.

In the same post where he took KCAL to task for helping with Trump claiming he was responsible for the jobs at Sprint, Wil links to a blog he wrote about the Stupidsphere. In the third paragraph is this sentence:

                  “Yes, I believe that clinging to debunked lies to prop up a narrative or worldview that is inconsistent with reality is stupid.”

So now I wonder what is Wil going to do if four, eight, twenty years down the road, historians and economists are able to prove that the policies and laws brought into effect in the Trump administration actually do help the country and it’s better off because of it? Is he going to look back and say, “I admit it, I was wrong”? Is he going to look back at what had convinced him that this person was unredeemably evil and learn not to be steered in that direction again? Will he take his own words to heart and change, or will he resentfully cling to what he believed at the end of 2016?

If it turns out that Trump is exactly (or close to) how he’s being painted, then Wil’s current “he’s bad and we have to do everything we can to stop him” stance is something he can be proud he had. But if Trump isn’t, will Wil change?


#1366

No Wil won’t change. Neither will Scalzi.

If they were to see something positive and digest it then their entire worldview and lives would fall apart. Many liberals excuse being an ass, or doing what others consider to be horrible things, because the cause is just. If Trump isn’t evil then that means Wil’s campaign and personal meltdowns weren’t justified, and since he’s poured so much of his life and identity into this he can’t afford to change.

This is part of my questioning of climate change science, or any science where the discoverers or inventors are still alive and creating new followers. The #1 scientist on climate change could walk into irrefutable proof that climate change is caused by cosmic rays or some shit, and sit on it. Especially the older he gets and the more people he’s mentored. If I’m 80 years old and I’ve literally taught thousands of scientists with hundreds of students that x=x then how the hell do I stand up and say wait, I was wrong x=A suffusion of yellow.

Trump is continuing to promote his branding and ego and follows the pattern of “get this out now and worry about the facts later”.

I’ve seen the news stories before I’ve seen Trump’s tweets. How about any time anything is announced the reality isn’t equal to the headline. Ever look at the labor department’s jobs numbers, and then three months later go back and compare them? Big fanfare when the +180k number comes out. Not so much when it turns into a seasonally adjusted and revised +95k.

This does tell me that businesses want to make Trump look good. Because they hope he’s not actively out to get them like the current POTUS.

All I want is the Stupid Party to stop doing stupid shit like RIFRA and eliminating Ethics committees, and bringing back earmarks.


#1367

Oh look, most of them weren’t true, or were unprovable. The they stole my keys and took my car story turned into, I forgot where I parked…

That’s enough to get out of being charged for filing a false police report?

The claims of violence from the right, that apparently 90% of were manufactured, has been what’s feeding the violence begets violence crutch some on the left are using. Except there is tons of video of conservatives, or Trump supporters being attacked and hospitalized, and nothing in these other attacks.

So exactly what violence are they responding to? And since the campaign violence happened even before the fake wave of attacks, what were they responding to then?


#1368

Right up there with the black family who claimed to wake up in the middle of the night to both of their vehicles consumed in flames, and racial slurs painted on their garage door… then a few hours later, the “man” of the house admitted to painting the slur and setting the cars on fire, thinking his insurance would cover everything. No report of him being charged with insurance fraud, though. Jackass.


#1369

And those people make it hard on the ones who have been attacked.

I’d like to see mattress girl explain to a young woman claiming rape who’s not believed explain why her performance art was more important than justice. (Of course I’d also like to know why people report rape to a school instead of the police, but that’s another story.)


#1370

Hah, theory of the day.

All the half baked crappy “gotcha” stories coming out about Trump are false flag operations to cover any scandals his people know are out there already.

Seriously, we’re down to some guys somewhere said once that Russia did this but Obama said they didn’t so people would believe the election, but it didn’t work which is why we’re bringing it up now because it didn’t work in such a way that it worked and Trump was classmates with Putin at Hogwarts.

So later when something comes out about him acceptign a chinese casino in payment for drilling rights, or the video of him having sex with a 17 and three quarters year old prostitute in his plane comes out it can all be just blown off.


#1371

Seems legit


#1372

That’s been a theory for a while, actually. A major incident that supports this is making a big deal about the whole Hamilton non-issue which meant a lot of people didn’t catch the news that there was a $25 million settlement for the Trump University lawsuits.

Realistically, there’s also the possibility that Russia is just enjoying or planning to take advantage of the chaos. They don’t need ties with Trump if the goal is another land grab or similar. Maybe they figure sending the government into a tail-spin of in-fighting and general lack of trust is enough to give them room to maneuver without a strong voice to impede them.


#1373

They did it with Obama as president without us making a peep. And they are doing it in Syria, with Turkey. Maybe they do think Trump will raise a stink, though creating a situation where he would need to raise a stink at anything they do to prove a lack of ties would be silly. Of course, the country stealing the most secrets from us right now is China, who would love us to get tangled in Eastern Europe while they build island in the new ocean.

Meanwhile, we’re expelling diplomats because of rumored election meddling that everyone was assured months ago didn’t matter.


#1374

hahahahahahaha


#1375

What’s the difference between a garbanzo bean and a chickpea?
I’ve never had a garbanzo bean on my face.


#1376

Oh, man, that’s so awful. Not sayin’ I didn’t laugh, but damn.
Also, interesting choice of thread to put it in.

Time to test the edit feature…
A guy walks into a bar with his pet monkey. He orders a drink, and while he’s drinking, the monkey jumps all over the place, eating everything behind the bar. Then the monkey jumps on to the pool table and swallows a billiard ball. The bartender screams at the guy, “Your monkey just ate the cue ball off my pool table - whole!” “Sorry,” replied the guy. “He eats everything in sight, the little bastard. I’ll pay for everything.” The man finishes his drink, pays and leaves. Two weeks later, he’s in the bar with his pet monkey, again. He orders a drink, and the monkey starts running around the bar. The monkey finds a maraschino cherry on the bar. He grabs it, sticks it up his ass, pulls it out and eats it. The bartender is disgusted. “Did you see what your monkey did now?” he asks. “Yeah,” replies the guy. “He still eats everything in sight, but ever since he swallowed that cue ball, he measures stuff first.”


#1377

It’s a Trump quote… alleged.


#1378

Ahh, I see. It isn’t exactly a new joke. I did a quick search and in 3 or 4 minutes the oldest place I found it online was from 2 years ago, so it has to be older than that. I also happened across the one in the edit above, which I had seen before, but it caught me off guard.

EDIT: Correction - 3 years ago… it is 2017 now!


#1379

You too?

I have to keep reminding myself it is 2017 - updated my CV and things like that, tended to think it is 2016…


#1380

I’m sure the generic joke is older than that.

The progressive left is going to tear itself apart and eat the remnants if they aren’t careful here. There are some serious purges going on in some of these groups.

John Lewis has opened himself up for a world of hurt, I’ve seen articles on all sides asking what it is he’s done since Selma, aggressively or as an aside. It really didn’t help that he forgot he skipped Bush’s inauguration also.